You’ll hear all about Battlbox’s golden goose content strategy and how a single YouTube creator (who started as a super fan) has become one of the most important Battlboxers on the team, generating 500K YouTube Subscribers and almost 200 million video views…
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Intro
0:00  all these Facebook ads are ready to go it's like Friday five six o'clock we all
0:06  get a notification on our phone that an ad has been declined and another one
0:11  another one another one we jump in and look at it and our Facebook ad account has been canceled done dad you are
0:20  booted you are not allowed to advertise ever again you're gone at the time we
0:25  have battle box forum which was a Reddit style bulletin board so we Post in there hey anybody have any ideas the craziest
0:33  thing one of our customers Works a couple Cube rows over from the manual
0:40  team that did it he's like I'll just go over there and ask him or Okay and like
0:46  within a couple hours we were back
Welcome
0:55  hello and welcome to d2c podcast I'm Eric dick today we're running into the wild with Battlbox's John Roman John
1:02  joined Battlbox a monthly subscription for hand-picked outdoor gear shortly after they instruct product Market fit
1:09  gold and has helped propel them to high eight-figure revenues with an absolutely
1:14  scorching subscription LTV that approaches a thousand dollars per customer you'll hear all about
1:20  Battlbox's Golden Goose content strategy and how a single YouTube Creator who started as a super fan has
1:26  gone on to become one of the most important battle boxers on the team generating 500 000 YouTube subscribers
1:33  and almost 200 million video views to date and oh yeah also ultimately led to
1:38  a lucrative Netflix production that reads basically like a battle Box commercial you'll learn what it's like
1:45  to hitch a ride on the Netflix rocket and what their most important metric is completion rate and how it will
1:52  determine your Netflix fate I hope you enjoy it on with the show do you ever listen to the d2c podcast
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BattlBox Story
2:53  telling me the story of Battlbox and how you came to be involved with it sure Eric super excited to be here uh wow so
2:59  the battle box story so it starts in December 2014.
3:06  so I have a Christmas party every year um you know as you get older you have all these different circle of friends
3:12  that you've accumulated through the years and the purpose of the Christmas party is all of these friends through
3:19  the years everybody's invited and it's a great time uh one of from the the friend Circle
3:26  when when I was in college um a lot of people a lot of that group came one of the guys came his name was Daniel
3:34  um my previous business partner and just chatting with him on the back porch
3:40  him and another gentleman had a they were entrepreneurs they had a uh
3:47  design screen print business that so they had two locations both outside
3:52  universities um so the school fraternity authorities social groups intramural sports teams
4:00  would go to them for shirts logos caps hoodies Etc
4:06  um December is like historically dead during that time right everybody's left
4:11  left school uh so we were just chatting and he's an
4:16  idea guy chatting through some ideas um things he wanted to do he didn't want
4:22  to do what he was currently doing forever and it was a good conversation
4:28  um ended it and I I was doing this a lot of the time I still do this is when I have
4:33  a conversation like that I I typically give a couple of pieces of homework I don't call it homework it doesn't feel
4:39  like it's homework but I'm really putting the ball in someone else's Court to see how they react and how they
4:45  behave and it's you know it's like the it's almost like a first date right you want to really fill that person out gave
4:52  him some homework um didn't ever hear back from him on that
4:59  um maybe that was a a sign of later times but moving forward um we had that
5:06  conversation was a great conversation two months later I'm talking to another individual his business partner
5:13  in the in the current business um and catching up with him and hey
5:19  what's what's going on what's new and he's like uh Daniel came up with this idea uh called Battlbox it's gonna be a
5:26  monthly subscription of outdoor gear camping survivalists outdoorsmen
5:34  Adventure Etc and I said wow that sounds really cool
5:40  um for a multitude of reasons so my background and job of the time is uh
5:46  building B2B sales teams so I know subscription very well and I know how great it is for
5:53  forecasting and valuations and check so many boxes so I'm
5:58  instantly intrigued and I had had that conversation with Daniel two months prior and him saying hey I would like to
6:06  do something with you so I as soon as I get done with that conversation I put the phone call Daniel
6:11  said hey I want to be a part of this um we in the next week and a half two
6:17  weeks came to an agreement um where I was buying uh some Equity a
6:22  piece of the company and in turn um offering some you know limited
6:29  advisement role maybe five hours a month nothing of of a you know large scale and
6:36  I was completely um and it was in this one pager that we signed when the deal was done where I
6:42  was very transparent that I wanted to kind of road map what this was and what
6:48  our go-to Market strategy was going to be so that we could try to replicate it and stamp it out with other brands
6:55  um and in turn he would be receiving equity in those uh the same Equity that he was selling
7:00  me in in Battlbox and that's how we agreed to um a lower valuation was it pre-sales at
Presales
7:07  that point or had there been some sales there have been some sales um it was uh it was you know when the
7:13  when the ink dried from that it was maybe two and a half weeks past launch and there was there was already a
7:20  considerable amount of sales there was already I think 40 something thousand dollars in sales which is for for a
7:26  startup that isn't funded that's just making some Facebook ads that's that's actually pretty good
7:33  um so yeah so we were Off to the Races and we we saw some instant success that
7:40  first month we had about 200 um subscribers and uh which is a great
7:46  start uh but month two uh that March we had a thousand new and then that April
7:54  we had 1200 new and it just kept kept kept going so my five hours of of you know some
8:03  time of month quickly turned into you know 10 and then 15 then 20 then you
8:09  know then it was 10 a week and it just kept kept building and we continued to
8:14  see growth uh so Daniel and Patrick
8:20  um who were two of the four of us they had from the jump they were basically in it full time
8:25  um they instantly identified hey this in you know in a in a month is already
8:30  potentially producing more than we can make in the other business so they still had that business for a moment but the
8:37  focus was on Battlbox um we had another partner who um who who
8:42  was involved as well and uh so we kept going in 2016 early 2016 April in January I
8:51  had made a switch to a startup company um I left a a larger company for this
8:58  startup and uh it wasn't going as planned and uh it was
9:04  a few months in and I was looking at what our projected run rate was going to
9:10  be for Battlbox and it was going to be eight figures and if we if we kept the course and the growth that we were
9:15  seeing and no reason to believe we wouldn't um and then I was looking at the size of the company I just joined and
9:23  it was gonna be about about the same size by the end of the year and I have
9:29  some major equity in one and I have um promise of equity if there's an exit
9:35  in the other but if I left it's zero so I said Okay
9:40  um let's let's do this so spoke to them and spoke to the wife and in April 2016
9:47  so 14 months after launched I jumped in full time um
Growth
9:52  and the growth that you were seeing then that was back in the Heyday of meta ads was this mostly driven through through
9:58  Facebook ads yeah um naivety to you know we none of us had played in this world prior we all had
10:04  some some experience that that played to the success but we had none of us had
10:11  Direct experience in this and uh yeah we said we didn't know any better we were we were 99 of our traffic was
10:19  um Facebook ads and we were Kirk we were acquiring customers for less than five dollars each
10:26  um and and these are customers with an average order value over a hundred
10:32  um an LTV or what's your like the retention period is of months yeah yeah
10:37  typically around seven months um so we didn't know that then but we still
10:43  knew I mean five dollars is good but if if I knew what I knew now I would have maxed out every credit card
10:50  I would have borrowed from anybody that would give me a dollar and put it all in acquiring customers back then we didn't
10:56  know how good we had it um what were you seeing like what what like so one of the things I love about
Survival
11:02  Battlbox versus any other subscription program I've seen is it's literally it's like you you canceling your subscription
11:08  could be a matter of survival you know because it's not just like you're not getting just more smoothies or more of
11:13  one thing you're literally getting these essential pieces that you need in your kit if you're gonna be an outdoors
11:19  person right uh and so there's probably a real completist a completionist aspect to people who subscribe to this versus
11:25  maybe others but so with the same that's very true
11:31  but at the same time you look at that need want scale and unfortunately we're not as
11:39  you know over on the Need side is you know like some kind of food or or replenishable
11:46  um yeah men can convince themselves of that a lot of things in the outdoors world are necessary though
11:52  and it boils down to the number one reason of cancels is
11:57  um I'm having space space issues I have I have I have enough gear and we've also
12:03  done some testing and that also is what's checked when a significant other says enough's enough
Why BattlBox
12:10  uh this is why you need a battle box I was saying in the pre-interview you got to get the box that people can put all
12:15  their stuff in and then the wives will complain less it's a win-win so we we should after this we we need to talk
12:21  about that so I sent it to the team and we've had some conversations with them so it's interesting we did a giveaway for them uh a few months oh with Rooks
12:29  oh cool um so I I've had the emails forwarded to me to try to figure out where it was left off might pick your
12:35  brain a little bit on it fantastic oh nice so yeah so we continued to go go go
12:43  um all Facebook Facebook Facebook Facebook Facebook and um the only thing we're doing besides
12:49  Facebook part of our go-to Market strategy we were sending these boxes out to YouTubers
12:55  um for for reviews for content and uh keep going everything's great
13:01  loving it and uh we're going into Labor Day weekend um we have the most aggressive sale
13:07  we've ever had we're gonna do 20 off your first box um
13:13  I love that that's aggressive uh but at the time that was we weren't we we still
13:19  to this day we don't like to Discount um we we feel we don't need to because of the quality products but
13:26  all these Facebook ads are ready to go it's like Friday five six o'clock and we
13:33  all get a notification on our phone that an ad is has been declined or not
13:39  approved but over as we're already running and another one another one other one and we we jump in and look at
13:45  it and our Facebook ad account has been um canceled done dead you are booted you
13:54  are not allowed to advertise ever again you're gone um even back more so now but even back
14:01  then getting someone on the phone at Facebook um it's a little bit of a challenge to say the least yeah live chat I only I've
BattlBox Forum
14:07  always had success getting someone on live chat but it doesn't it does nothing get anywhere right so it's such a such a
14:13  challenge um we can't get anybody we're calling everybody we know emailing everybody we
14:19  know trying to find some kind of van at the time we have battlboxforum.com which was a Reddit
14:26  style bulletin board for for our customer base it's been since we migrated over it as a Facebook group now
14:33  um but at the time so we Post in there hey anybody have any ideas and the
14:38  craziest thing one of our customers is a Facebook employee and works
14:44  um a couple uh rooms or cube Rose over from the manual
14:50  team that that did it and uh we don't we don't have this
14:56  conversation find this out until like I think Monday or Tuesday so we've already lost out on on this big big sale we were
15:03  gonna have but he's like I'll just go over there and ask him Mark Okay and
15:08  like within a couple hours we were back up and running oh you never hear stories like that you
Facebook
15:13  never hear stories first of all I've never heard of someone's customer base being on the Facebook side of things but them them actually having that ability
15:19  to go literally through the wall or whatever of that appeal process to a fellow co-worker and said hey this brand
15:27  you've called Battlbox it says that you you killed them like they're not doing any of their following guidelines
15:34  um what was the reason what did they think was wrong so we not in advertisements not in
15:42  um not in the ads on the landing pages but the top tier
15:48  um Pro Plus includes includes a knife knives or weapons
15:53  um Facebook is an interesting thing because we're not and we weren't selling that we were selling the the non knife
16:01  products um but it's Facebook's an interesting world right Walmart and some large huge
16:07  Brands sell guns but they're not selling them in the ads it's in their catalog but that's not
16:15  what they're selling so it's allowed um but it's allowed because they're also spending you know probably seven figures
16:22  a month so it's a weird yeah where you're not promoting the
16:27  knife but it is in your catalog right so it's it's the same thing but we're also not spending a million dollars a month
16:34  um and you know all of a sudden certain restrictions and doors and problems I'm
16:40  sure are alleviated when you know you're giving them that much money I want to get into Facebook now versus
How BattlBox works right out of the gate
16:48  then but I'm just also curious just from someone who had a subscription program kind of work right out of the gate what
16:54  do you you know what do you attribute that to mainly what factors to to having it work right out of the gate do you
17:00  think you guys nailed sure so so with certainty it was it was a product Market fit
17:06  um so so when Daniel came up with the idea it was because he saw his uh at the
17:13  time girlfriend opening up a birch box and like he saw this excitement and experience she was going through and he
17:20  went online to find one because he wanted that experience and didn't see one and then saw the opportunity so with
17:26  certainly product Market fit um the other piece is is is content and
17:32  Community we hadn't fully figured out the content piece at at the initial
17:39  launch but we had figured out content indirectly via
17:45  YouTube and random people talking about it and it wasn't our content but it was
17:51  still a lot of content we were sending from month one 30 boxes out at least to
17:56  YouTubers that would do reviews the community piece we had from the jump so
18:01  we launched with this battle box forum where we were jumping in every day we were having conversations with our
18:08  customers we were truly building this community of of like-minded people that
18:15  that enjoy the great outdoors and that is
18:20  single-handedly it's the content in the community we got better with both but we
18:25  had the community very similar to what it is now off the Jump
How did your community change from Facebook to BattlBox
18:31  how did your your community change from into Facebook go because I I've heard people go different ways from from a
18:37  private Forum into Facebook and vice versa did you maintain the quality of the conversation moving to Facebook from
18:42  your private Forum yeah so that you're right you hear it on both
18:49  sides I spoke to a buddy literally last week that was that had just moved off
18:55  from from Facebook to an to another platform that's more like what we just described
19:00  um I I enjoy it I like it it's it's easier to moderate it's easier to make sure you're not missing things
19:06  notifications um there was a there is an app that was like a third-party app that we could use
19:14  for a bulletin board called I think tap something just it just wasn't the same
19:19  um the the features of of Facebook are good
19:25  um since we have such a focus on on video content now and and going live
19:31  Facebook offers that um I I like it I uh it it's
19:39  the the process of because you can only be in the group if you're um an active
19:45  subscriber so the the rules in place and the way we're managing it now is a lot easier to
19:52  implement and execute with Facebook um makes sense I'm a fan
19:57  nice how I'm curious too just on the success of the subscription program how much has gone into fine-tuning the order
How do you finetune the order of the products
20:05  of the products and the the products that people get because I imagine you you'll have a really people another reason for people bailing from the
20:11  subscription program would be like oh I already have the one that I'd get this month or I don't really I'm not interested in that one as much do you do
20:16  a lot of testing with the actual products you're offering yeah so so we do from from what we did in that
20:24  initial month or two to to now it's we built such such a process
20:30  um so like currently what the process is is so we have several funnels of product
20:37  potential product ideas um one funnel is our website we have on
20:43  our website you you want to be in battle box and it's a vendor submission form it
20:49  it kicks them what where they need to send samples to and then that enters the funnel at that point once the samples
20:55  arrive we have in the members only group uh form that any members only
21:03  um any customer can fill out and give suggestions and we'll have contests I think we had a contest last month we
21:10  were giving like 500 worth of free gear that we just wanted to give away to whoever submitted uh the most quantity
21:17  but it had to be quality submissions and product ideas so that's another funnel
21:22  we have an internal team um so so all employees have a form where if they come across a good idea
21:29  they can fill out the form and then when then we reach out and ask for samples and then we have a team that's job is
21:36  sourcing so we get all these all of these funnels we get product samples
21:41  samples go to four different places um at that point we have
21:47  um a call so we have an internal team um of of nine individuals varying ages
21:55  um demographics to make sure we're touching the entire base of what a typical battle Box customer is and we go
22:02  through an item and we we talked to the benefits of it and then we vote
22:08  um so nine people if more than one person says no it's out
22:14  interesting um and and just because you I see in the battle box you've got to Define number of products looks like 16 or 20 or so
How many products do you have
22:21  but I imagine you just continue finding new products all the time for people that stay on yeah but it's tough so we
22:28  um so it's so it's not so it's never a set amount of items with with certainty
22:34  there's there's a range of what we try to do um but we've we've done we're total
22:41  um in the biggest tier there were only uh six items because they were high
22:46  priced items high quality items for each it's it's not easy
22:52  um and so you know this this month we're sending out a um in the I believe it's
23:00  the pro tier so that the second from the top we're sending out a Zippo ax
23:06  as as the item um we actually sent that out uh
23:11  previously and it's one of the you know we don't do that very often but we send
23:16  it out five years ago so the the argument is you know we still
23:24  we still have a couple hundred customers that got it that they now have two but
23:30  it's been five years it's about the shelf life if you're using an ax you probably need a new one
23:36  yeah like if you're actually using it and if you've been around that long you're using the gear
23:43  um so at that point like that was one of the ones we had to talk through and make sure that that was that that made sense
23:49  to do but we came to the conclusion it's something we can repeat every five years
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24:27  listeners I wanted to chat about growth Now versus how it was in those heydays of 2015
Growth Strategy
24:33  2016. what does your what does your growth look like and what does your your growth strategy look like I imagine it's
24:39  a bit more diversificated than hitting the scale button on on Facebook yeah so our uh are what we got back on after we
24:48  got lucky and had a Facebook customer that helped us um at that point we said okay having all
24:55  these eggs in one basket is not smart so we instantly came up with a diversification idea oh you can
25:02  advertise on Google too probably should have known that um so we started testing other other
25:09  platforms seeing what works traditionally we don't want any single
25:14  lead source to be above uh a sixth of our business 16 you know 16.6 repeating
25:21  percent and it's not to say like right now Facebook we have some campaigns going
25:27  that are performing really really well so it's a little bit lopsided we just
25:32  don't want it to be in for any serious long period of time we when when that
25:39  starts to occur we have to find lead sources or figure out the ones we have and make them perform better
25:45  so that's that's a big thing uh A lot's changed too in in the sense that we're
25:52  every year for the last couple of years we've we've doubled down on content as being a big piece of the business but
25:58  back to the growth trajectory so we were going really really well we started to stall out in in 2018 and 2019. we just
26:08  were struggling to grow um we couldn't get as many customers as
26:14  we were just naturally treating each month so we were really just kind of um
26:19  you know not drowning but not Treading Water yeah just Treading Water
26:25  um and uh then 2020 game which um spoiler alert uh survival gear delivered
26:33  directly here to your door in a pandemic is is a recipe for success and so was
26:40  all the e-commerce in general right so so we saw this you know giant uplift
26:46  um start in the beginning of of 2020 and in March and it continued and um
26:52  at the same point we were so focused on content we had our big our big first
26:57  home run with content and I was a Netflix TV show so it was a Netflix original series called Southern survival
27:04  it's Global um any any country can search for
27:10  Battlbox or Southern survival and it comes up and that aired in July July 4th
27:15  weekend 2020. and that that was we thought we were seeing growth with the
27:21  pandemic this was just um unfathomable growth grow growth you
27:26  know as an example leading up to it we had elevated traffic on our site because
27:31  of the pandemic we're getting about 125 to 150 000 unique visitors in a month in
27:38  July when when that show premiered we had 1.2 million unique visitors which
27:44  was truth be told they did not perform and behave like a regular customer that we
27:51  were targeting precisely with ads they you know bought a lot of one-time products they didn't converted the same
27:57  percentage about half uh of the usual conversion rate but you do some quick
28:02  math it still was a major uplift and just for them to have to go to a different device and type in type
Brand Awareness
28:09  something in right it's not a direct action like on any other ads you think of that many people took the action so
28:15  how many people just became more aware of your brand and you know like it's crazy
28:21  um yeah so so that was a super Game Changer and and um it's funny what's become a boat how
28:28  did it how did that like how did that manifest so so we had um
28:33  so when we started off so so Brandon Curran um if you if anybody listen to this has seen a battle Box video he is
28:40  the bearded guy that is the face of Battlbox he's in 90 you know five percent of our content so the story of
28:48  Brandon's pretty cool so Brandon was a paying customer he was paying 100 at the
28:54  time 149.99 a month for the top tier and we had uh you know we're talking
29:01  about 2015 so and we didn't know not knowing any better we had a pre-purchase
29:06  survey um you know don't buy yet don't make the purchase first tell us how you how how
29:12  you came to find us um great for conversion rate I'm sure so we had this
29:18  there and it was The Usual Suspects um Facebook Instagram Google Etc but we did have the little other bad new kid
29:25  and type something in and um we started to get like
29:30  15 20 percent of all of our peop of our surveyors were
29:37  saying other and typing in current 1776 so we like we go to our spreadsheet of
29:45  people were sending comp boxes to and he's not on there we do a quick YouTube search and we come across this guy and
29:52  we're like where's he getting this box from do a little bit of Recon find out his name is Brandon Curran we look him
29:58  up in our customer database and he's a paying customer so we're like okay well we need
30:04  to keep watching this and the next month it's the same thing but it's like a higher percentage it's like 25 percent
30:09  are saying this so we're like Okay um we're gonna reach out to him hey Brandon
30:15  dude we love what you're doing um we're gonna comp your box from here
30:20  on out box is free don't worry about it but in turn please keep doing these reviews
30:26  um and of course he's he's uh he has passion he loves this product that's why he was buying it 150 is a lot of money
30:33  and um continues to do it few months go by and
30:38  like it's continuing we're continuing to grow and he's continuing to pull his Lion's Share
30:44  and uh we reach out to him and we're like hey man um we want to give you 500 a month but
30:49  like you have to keep doing these videos every month like we can't miss but we'll give you 500 and a free box
30:54  he's like yeah so so brand of the time is a uh career professional HVAC guy
31:01  he's been doing it for 20 something years that's his career and um he had been on um some some hunting
31:08  shows um before but his his passion his hobby was doing these reviews and doing other
31:15  content in his YouTube channel he was trying to grow it was it was a side hustle and um
31:21  after the 500 conversation that went on for a few months the next conversation was this is kind of crazy but do you
31:28  want to you know um talk to your wife and your three kids and um move from North Carolina Down to
31:35  Georgia and go full-time BattleBots um and we went back and forth and
31:42  he got to do what he loves every day which is which is pretty cool and how he
31:48  started just as a paying customer is is phenomenal too so he came full time as
31:53  soon as he came full-time content content content um and that that was that was the reason
32:00  so they reached out to us and said um you know we're watching your videos
32:05  and this is shortly after we were just he was full-time and we were just pushing out as much content as possible
32:11  and they said we have some money uh from History Channel to shoot a Sizzle reel
32:18  which is the thing that comes before a pilot where you try to get the money then for the pilot to then get money for
32:25  a season and we wanted this is the idea this is the concept they came down for
32:30  four or five days shot it um History Channel then sat on it for
32:36  about six months came back and told us no just not a fit we don't want to do it
32:42  um so we're super super sad and like you know demoralized that okay maybe
32:48  this isn't gonna happen and uh High Noon entertainment through the studio that um that produced it for us they uh right we
32:55  have a we have a meeting with Discovery next week ooh sounds like this could be a show on Discovery Discovery sits on it
33:02  for like six or seven months and uh finally come back and they say no okay I guess this is just not happening
33:09  and um in in early 2019 in January 2019
33:16  um we had just in the previous month heard the know about discovery they're like we have a meeting we have
33:22  two meetings set for January one is with Walmart's streaming service which
33:28  I don't even know what it's called and I don't think anybody does I don't remember but it doesn't sound like it was a hit
33:34  um and Netflix and uh we're excited about both they have the meeting with
33:40  Netflix and they basically come back and they're like Netflix Netflix wants to do it
33:46  um up until then they were shopping this Sizzle reel to get a money
33:52  to shoot a pilot Netflix doesn't play that game Netflix is like yeah we'll do a season
33:57  and we want the right of first refusal on the next seven
34:03  um so that that's how they made us first of all I didn't know Walmart had a streaming
Working with Walmart
34:09  service Voodoo okay interesting I don't know if it still
34:14  exists at just the way Netflix came into the industry like a bull in a china shop right and that's a good example of how
34:20  they do it they sort of skip on the formalities a little bit um what was it like like what what are
34:25  you like working with Walmart like get what is it like working with a behemoth like Walmart like did you were you able
34:31  to get good data on how many streams you were getting so on with Netflix with Netflix story yeah yeah so um Netflix
34:38  working with them is not enjoyable so they viewed us as Talent
34:46  um and they didn't care that we were a business they didn't care that we needed to forecast when how many how much
34:53  product do we need like what is this going to be shown to like not fun to work with in fact
34:59  um so I wasn't on the TV show four of us were um they would then they would send an
35:05  email Netflix would to those four and uh and Daniel was one of them and say hey
35:11  we're gonna have a call Friday at 12 o'clock Daniel would reply back and like loot me in Loop
35:18  um Richard our our CFO and Patrick or CEO and be like hey I'm I'm bringing in
35:23  I'm copying in leadership so that they can attend too and Netflix would reply back and remove us and say no it's not
35:32  how this works like Daniel would have to like have us like secretly like on like
35:37  speakerphone listening to the phone calls because they wouldn't talk to us um and they and they viewed us just as
35:43  Talent it's just they don't they don't care that we're a business and how does
How does the Rocket Ship work
35:49  it work with the obviously when it launches you get the Lion's Share but I imagine you're still getting trailing
35:56  attention and trailing traffic from it yeah so it's it's still there right it's a Netflix original so it's theirs
36:03  um so it's not going anywhere um knock on wood but it's still uh it's
36:09  funny the the rule of no um lead Source being greater than 16
36:15  um or a sixth it is still every month about I'd say on a good month 16 on a
36:21  bad month 12 between 12 and 16 of our new customers still
36:27  um come come from that did they take the second the second Group of Seven episodes
Seven Seasons
36:34  Seven Seasons um Seven Seasons oh seven seasons oh geez yeah like they wanted to
36:39  if it was gonna be a success they were gonna have it for its entire lifespan
36:44  um no so they they never officially told us no um so Netflix cares about this metric
36:52  called completion rate which um they view as it's defined as
36:58  um a user and this is a metric for their original their content um
37:03  completion is watching 90 or greater of of a of a first season or a season of a
37:12  Netflix series um we have eight episodes so that would
37:17  mean you would have to you know obviously go somewhat into the eighth episode which you're not gonna
37:22  you're not gonna watch the first step and start the eighth and not finish it right so it's basically watching the
37:28  entire thing so what they view is Success um is
37:34  greater than 25 percent completion so if 10 million
37:40  people watch our show 2.5 million need to watch the
37:45  entire thing if you're above 25 percent green light second season rinse repeat
37:53  keep doing it right if you're below 20 it's
37:58  um it's not a fit they they missed the mark somehow right if they shouldn't have produced the content
38:04  um if you're between 20 and 25 it you're kind of like in a a Netflix
38:10  Purgatory if you will um they haven't told us no they haven't told us yes this like keeping us around
38:18  maybe you know over there um not even acknowledging us but if they
38:24  need some outdoor content you know they're going to look at the people that are in that Purgatory that check that
38:29  box and it's a lot easier to grab from there than Source new um so we're in that weird stat status
38:37  for it I don't think we'll have I think there's a strong possibility we'll have another series
38:43  um I don't think it'll be with Netflix interesting um okay so if I were to give you fifty
Building the Community
38:50  thousand dollars to be used in your marketing for the growth of Battlbox and you have to use it in q1 of 2023 how
38:57  would you uh how would you deploy those funds building the community
39:02  so very non-non-traditional right I would do some sort of
39:08  um Community activity probably giving some of it away in prizes
39:13  um maybe taking people to a location a select amount of customers
39:18  um but all of this would be great for the community it would also make great content
Outdoor Festival
39:24  yeah an outdoor Festival like a big Camp you just go rent out like a huge like Yosemite or something yeah with some
39:30  cool activities and some cool ways to you know connect and bond and and and
39:36  build build camaraderie with each other and half of it on the event half of it
BattlBox in 2023
39:42  on the content about the event that you can put through it all your channels yeah what channel are you most excited about
39:47  in 2023 um so it's interesting so
39:53  in 2022 we started off really Bull on
39:58  tick tock and we still are um Tick Tock is you know it's which I
40:04  think our largest Channel at this point with like subscriber follower I think we have 800 and something thousand on there
40:11  um well we what we realized in um probably the middle part not even the
40:20  middle part early of last year when uh meta and and alphabet Google and
40:26  Facebook and Instagram all realize that hey tick tock's kind of eating our lunch a little bit so they all put
40:34  um you know they all made changes to their algorithm where this short uh
40:40  vertical content is treated way better than it necessarily maybe would have
40:45  been regularly um and we saw that we saw it and we still see it most with YouTube YouTube
40:51  Shorts YouTube treats that shorts content
40:56  um it just it's a it's a shot of steroids uh in the algorithm and it gets
41:02  way more eyeballs than traditional long form does right I could post a horrible
41:08  short form video and it could easily get a few hundred or even a thousand views while I could do an actual decent long
41:14  form and if I don't have a reach already and a subscriber base it might not get any views
41:21  um so so so YouTube shorts honestly um I think they're building on it I
41:26  think they're they're getting better um I still think tick tock's algorithm
41:31  from a consumer experience is still there's no competition
41:37  it is the best algorithm that there is right now I agree like it's it's I used
The best algorithm
41:43  to say this before and it's still true that like any other live video algorithm skirts along the surface but tick tock
41:50  goes to like all the things I'm interested in for better for worse and so there's a lot weirder stuff yeah and
41:56  so fast exactly like it knows so quickly of what to like we could both open up
42:01  our tick tocks and compare them and they would be night and day different and not that we're different but just it
42:08  knows exactly what I want to see and exactly what you want to see yeah whereas reels and shorts it's still yeah
42:14  it's a lot more of General still I think there'd be a lot more overlap in our feeds there right yeah we would have
42:20  overlap for sure super super interesting are you noticing a a relation between this is something
Shorts vs LTV
42:26  we've invested a lot in shorts and we're getting thousands of views on them versus hundreds on the YouTube podcast
42:32  um and but but we haven't really been able to correlate shorts into longer form video views yet uh it's shorts are
42:39  going up but it doesn't necessarily mean that longer form video views are going up it's kind of its own thing it's it's it's its own thing
42:46  um there's not there's not much of a correlation we'll we'll try um so we will do some testing where
42:53  we'll put in the shorts you know a small little um graphic uh uh make sure to subscribe
43:01  um with a you know a little animated piece and and we'll do that which which does convert US more subscribers because
43:09  a lot of people just like it's it's crazy like 97 of our
43:14  people watching and even higher sometimes aren't subscribers so
43:20  we're trying to get it in the sense that we're trying to get them to subscribe so
43:26  that they'll get the notifications of our longer form content yeah makes sense nice John thanks for
43:32  coming on the d2c podcast today I think we should we better stay in touch I want to see how uh how you guys continue to
43:37  growth battlblocks where might be overlapping in Las Vegas in uh in March so be fun too fun to see you and I'm
43:44  gonna earn an invite to that Christmas party one of these years dude you're already invited come on foreign
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